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Mary
Frances Berry
Geraldine
R. Segal Professor of American Social Thought and Professor
of History, University of Pennsylvania
“Race,
Gender, and the New Political Landscape”
February
7, 2007
As
we come here this Black History Month to talk about race, gender,
and the new political landscape, in whatever way I wish to talk
about it I was told, I would first say that we’ve made
great progress in this country. Obviously in trying to have our
people align reality with the goals of those great documents
and promises of our national life and by those I mean the Declaration
of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution. That is
fulfilling the overall goals and purposes even if they didn’t
apply to us in the first place, to perfect them we have done
that. To create and preserve rights and equal opportunity for
all without invidious discrimination. The Civil Rights Movement
was a success. We have come a long way, put differently, in this
country in moving toward fairness and justice and equal opportunity.
With
all of the things that have happened and with African-American
and African-American women, you have color and race as continuing
issues, there are what I like to call head whims against opportunity
that whoever is elected to the Congress or whoever is elected
President or whoever is elected anywhere, I don’t care
who it is, will have to deal with. And there are issues that
are difficult to deal to deal with. If they weren’t difficult
to deal with, they wouldn’t be issues still and they have
been issues for a long time in this country. And there are any
number of them that are out there. I call these head whims. Head
whims against opportunity.
What
are the head whims against opportunity? One head whim is the
health crisis. Among African-Americans, there is an AIDS crisis
with increasing numbers of Black women having AIDS transmitted
to them, in many cases transmitted because their husbands or
their boyfriends don’t tell them that they’re HIV
positive and in some cases, we have people who are affected by
what they call the Down Low phenomenon. And in case you don’t
know what that is, if you haven’t figured it yet after
all this time, Down Low phenomenon simply means people who are
hiding their sexuality for fear of criticism and in the African-American
community, we have a great deal of homophobia. We have a lot
of homophobia in America anyway, and we have a great deal of
it in the African-American community, part of it based on fundamentalist,
Christian beliefs and part not, but with people afraid to say
who they are and what they are so they don’t tell people
and they transmit this disease and this homophobia is spread
in our churches. You cannot turn on a gospel radio station and
listen to its sermons or you can’t go to church in many
places without hearing a sermon about the evilness of whatever,
whatever.
When
I was campaigning in the last presidential campaign for a candidate
who I didn’t like much, but I had to campaign for him because
I hated the other guy, so I campaigned for this guy I didn’t
like too much, I won’t tell you who he was, he lost. Anyway,
and I was out in Ohio going around to churches and I went to
this one church and the minister got up and made this sermon
about the evilness of people who were homosexuals and how they
shouldn’t be tolerated in the church and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. I stood up and I said, “Excuse me, I hate to
interrupt your sermon, but I’d like to see you back in
your study immediately. There is an emergency.” And of
course the whole church was like nobody ever does that in church
so he came down hurriedly and we went back in the study. I said, “Listen.
Let me tell you something, I know something about you and if
you don’t shut up talking about that, when I go back out
there, I am going to stand up and tell everybody in this church.
Do you want me to tell them about your sex life because I know
about it?” And he said, “Oh, no, no, no.” And
I said, “Well then I think what you should do probably
is go back and preach the message of Christianity about receiving
people. You come as I am just as I am and try to be tolerant
of people and love them rather than denouncing them and driving
them out of the church.” I said, “It’s up to
you. You have a choice. Do whatever you like.” He went
on back out there and that was the end of that.
The
other thing is that we know, those of us who attend the church,
African-American churches and I have been going to one since
I was a child, old enough to go to church and stumble up there
every Sunday. That if two kind of people stop going to church
on Sunday, the church would close. If black women decided not
to go and if gay men decided not to go. There wouldn’t
be anybody in the church. Think about it. You look and see who
is in the church. There wouldn’t be a choir. In many cases,
there wouldn’t be a choir director and as I’ve just
pointed out to you, in some cases, not even a minister so we
let all of this homophobia interfere with our health and interfere
with us being real about who we are and we need to do something
about that at large in American and in particular, with African-Americans.
When
a few years ago Coretta King, some people in one of the gay rights
organizations wanted Coretta to make a statement in support of
their cause and they weren’t able to get her to do it so
they called me up to ask me if I would help them. They only call
me because people always call me to ask me to help something
and I was a Civil Rights Commissioner and so they said, “Do
you know Coretta. Can you help us to get her to do this?” So
I called her and she said, “Mary I would like to do it
but the men who are around Martin told me not to do it with Martin.
They said that I should stay out of this.” She said, “I
want to do it because I feel like Martin would have done it,
but they keep telling me to stay out of it.” I said, “I
think you should let your conscience be your guide.” So
she said, “If you will come down to stand with me, I’ll
do it.” So I went to Atlanta and we stood outside the King
Center and the press came and she got Joe Lowery finally to come
stand with her. She made this wonderful statement about how Martin
would have believed in humanity and the human rights of all people
and from then on, that was where she was on that issue. So we
need to do something about this because it’s a moral issue,
but also because it’s a health issue.
There
are other health issues – all the people who don’t
have health insurance. There is the poor mother, very often some
of these people who are working class people who make very low
wages and I have to tell you that the new minimum wage that is
about to be implemented in the Congress is not a living wage.
You try to live on that with a family. It’s a start, but
it’s not a living wage. And there are these people who
are in that category who have children and many are poor mothers
who when she hears a sick child cry out in the night wonders
whether the child is fifty dollars sick or a hundred dollars
sick or where will she take that child to have that child treated.
And if she takes the child to the emergency room in some of the
communities around this nation, she will find that it looks like
a third world nation if it’s not closed already in her
neighborhood with people laying around, waiting for hours for
somebody to wait on them which is a very real matter, which in
part relates to how low the United States is on the index of
child welfare throughout the world in a new study that just came
out because of what we do and don’t do about the health
of children and the health of other people in our society and
adults too. We clearly need to do something about that policy
and the next president, whoever that is, Congress needs to do
something about this issue and it will not be easy.
There
are other issues – jobs, outsourcing, and the impact of
globalization -that have to be handled. They were political issues
in the Congressional elections and a number of people who got
elected in Ohio and other places, Pennsylvania and around, got
elected on these issues. These are very difficult concerns to
unravel and figure out what to do. Some years ago, I and other
people encouraged young African-Americans to go to college and
major in Computer Science. We kept telling them, don’t
major in History. Don’t major in Literature, major in Computer
Science and many of them did that and now the Computer Science
jobs are going.
There
is the institution of immigration reform, which is not easy.
We talk about easy answers to things. You know there are voting
rights. We keep having glitches. In the 2000 election, I went
to Florida, took the commission and we investigated the Florida
debacle in which lots of Black people and Latinos didn’t
even get to vote. You are talking about chads and all the rest
of it. These were people who had the right to vote and were registered
to vote and nobody would let them vote. And found that out by
subpoenaing people and getting records and asking the Justice
Department to move on it and they never did. We got the Help
America Vote Act passed, but clearly it hasn’t solved all
the problems. We saw that in 2004. We are seeing it in bi-elections
and with equipment and everything else and we still haven’t
gotten that straight and Americans do not have a Constitutional
right to vote. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives
us the right to vote. It’s up to the states to figure out
how to do that. We need a Constitutional right for people to
vote.
Katrina
and Rita. The disgrace of what happened and all of the promises
that were made to people, it breaks your heart. I go to neighborhoods
where people have gotten their houses gutted out and cleaned
either by volunteers or their own efforts and are waiting to
rebuild and have been told that they are going to get their money
to do that and they haven’t gotten a dime. This is moral
issue as well as a political issue and it’s going to take
the money and time.
Now
we have the issue of education, which is another head whim. Education.
We have been talking about how crummy K through twelve education
is for lots of students in this country for years and there is
a thing about teachers in this country. First of all, we should
know that, and you know this, it’s a university. If you
don’t have good teachers, that is teachers who are interested
and who know a lot and can teach, as opposed to knowing a lot
and not able to teach or able to teach and don’t know anything.
That’s the first thing you need to have. And that teachers
need to have enough time and space to give attention to the students.
That is if you have too many students. It’s one thing if
you are in college and you just stand up and lecture and don’t
care who’s in there anyway, but if you are going to interact
with students, you can only have a certain number because there’s
only so many people that you can interact with. And so you’ve
got to have an optimal number and that you have to have an environment
that’s safe and where it’s not raining in the room
or it’s not too cold. These are just like fundamental things
that anybody who had common sense would know, but that the failure
is to provide those things. So we don’t do what we’re
supposed to do.
Now
we have No Child Left Behind, which a teacher I know calls ‘kiss
my behind’, that’s what she calls it. Where it has
phrases and the next administration is going to have to do something
about this. Phrases, you know ‘every child can learn’.
I love that. Every child can learn no matter what color or whatever.
And it even categorizes children by race, ah, in this day and
age, and you are supposed to report on what they know and what
they don’t know and test all of that. Now I am as much
in favor of testing as the next person. I test the students that
I teach, but I see no sense to test people to prove that they
don’t know what you didn’t teach them. I don’t
get that. If I didn’t teach it to you, I already know you
don’t know it so why do I need to test you to show that?
So you have some problems with that and all of the accountability
measures and the resources that go into it.
People
say don’t need to throw money at the problem at the same
time they are throwing money at whatever problem that they seem
to have. And people who send their children to good private schools
know why they send them there and the good private schools are
very expensive I am here to tell you. I don’t mean little
fly by night, jackleg private school on the corner. I mean St.
Alban’s. These schools costs money and they cost money
because it takes resources to do what they do and the main thing
that students get there that their parents want for them is attention.
Everybody needs attention. You need it and you grown. Kids love
attention. They don’t like people to not know who they
are, know what they did, or anything else whether it was good
or bad and the parents pay for that. And the parents who go to
Saint Alban’s and they can ask about Johnny and the teachers
can tell them chapter and verse everything Johnny did from when
he belched to how he went and what we ate and all the rest of
it what he knows and what he does not know. So we don’t
do any of that and yet we say we are going to improve the quality
of education for everybody and even when the test scores come
out and when they are compared with the National Assessment of
Educational Progress, they show that not much progress has been
made on NCLB. We still get statements made by people about the
great progress that has been made, which is what we do all the
time. So until we get serious about teachers and we say we don’t
need to pay teachers a lot because they shouldn’t be teaching
just to get paid, they should be doing it because they like it.
If we want good people to do any other kind job, we pay them
money so I don’t understand what there is about teachers
where you are not supposed to pay them any money, but anyway.
We pay university presidents a whole lot of money and superintendents
of schools and everything else.
The
other thing is in higher education. This major problem on issues
of race and diversity in higher education. We had in Michigan
after winning the Michigan case people of Michigan passed this
referendum, which outlaws affirmative action. Now the new governor
of Massachusetts Deval Patrick said something about their same-sex
marriage amendment, which I think applies. He said that he was
not in favor of a referendum to see if they overturned the same-sex
marriage in Massachusetts because he didn’t believe that
the rights of minorities should be overturned by majorities by
voting. They should not be at risk from minorities’ rights
by voting by majorities and I think that’s right. And in
Michigan, that is exactly what happened. I mean if you had asked
a majority of the White folk in Nashville, Tennessee where I
come from, if we should get rid of Jim Crow, they would have
said no. So if my rights had to be at risk based on whether they
wanted to change, then I’d be in big trouble and that’s
true of any minority.
The
whole theory of our Constitution, which Mr. Jefferson understood,
is the theory that minority rights and James Madison, from this
state, as he stated in the Federalist and elsewhere, that minority
rights should be protected. He wasn’t talking about colored
people. Minority rights should be protected against majorities.
Many people go to extremes and may suppress them and that’s
what the Bill of Rights is about and that is what the judiciary
system is supposed to do, but there is no way that we are going
to increase the number of African-Americans and Latinos in higher
education both on the faculty and in school unless we give attention
to these issues and we have to look at the whole person, the
whole student and try to figure out who can benefit from being
in a place like this and have them come and train and educate
them.
And
also, as many higher education leaders understand and they are
conflicted because they don’t know what to do, that given
the demographic reality of what the population of this country
looks like and is going to look like, if they don’t educate
African-Americans and Latinos, they are going to be left out
of the people who are the leaders in this nation the future because
given the way the country is going, a majority of the leaders
are going to come from people of color, it’s just that
simple. And they won’t all be Asian Americans. They will
be people – Latinos, African Americans and the like and
something has to be done to educate people.
The
other incongruity that is taking place is that most African-Americans
who want to go to elite higher education are going to have to
go to make sure they go to private universities and not public
ones because private universities are the places that are closing
down. Berkeley now has almost no African-American students. Stanford
has lots and lots. The fewer Berkeley has, the more Stanford
has. The fewer U.Va. has, the more we have at Penn and at the
other Ivies so that it’s also going to be another incongruent
situation, which is unstable and cannot last. It’s not
stable, it cannot last. That you are going to have taxpayers
paying to support public universities that they can’t attend
and at some point, they are not going to do it. Why should you,
if you are Latino families in California and nobody in your family
can go to Berkeley, why should you pay taxes to support Berkeley
when you have to pay taxes and send your child to a private university?
You might as well just support the private university and let
Berkeley fend for itself and that is one of the realities of
it, that the private universities are going to take up the slack.
In
the 19th century, before the Civil War, African-Americans who
were called “free-negroes” had to pay taxes to support
public schools in the cities in the North, but they couldn’t
send their kids to them. They had to set up their own schools
to send their children to. At the same time that they paid taxes
to support the schools that the other people could send their
children to. So what we are going to do is we are going backwards
to this same situation and then the Supreme Court has a school
desegregation case coming up. They’ve heard an argument
on and our expectation is they will declare voluntary K-12 school
desegregation unconstitutional on the Grounds as Ruther Bader
Ginsberg often says is one of those incredible ironies that the
Fourteen Amendment that was designed to have remedies for discrimination
against African-Americans can’t be used for discrimination
against African-Americans. If you try to use it then you are
harming White people, therefore you can’t use it for discrimination
against African-American remedies and even the people in Louisville
and Seattle are being told they can’t even do it voluntarily
if they want to desegregate and we expect that decision to come
down from the Supreme Court.
We
are becoming, in many ways, an entertainment industry and other
things. We are becoming more integrated. In other ways, we are
becoming less integrated than we used to be and then finally,
the head whims, there’s the war. That war in Iraq and the
same arguments that are given now to create a situation so that
we can go to war with Iran. The war costs money. The war shows
another kind of head whim, how we don’t get information
or we don’t understand anything. We treat seriously such
things as there are weapons of mass destruction. There were people
who at the time knew the arguments didn’t make any sense.
So what we have is a quagmire that we can’t get out of.
I was a reporter as a student in Vietnam so I know quagmires
when I see them and I know death and dying in war at first-hand
when I see it. Quagmire is what we are in.
We
are drawn into a war by lies, we are in it and then we’re
told we can’t get out of it because things will be worse
even though we did something to make them worse and now we have
a refugee crisis for people who weren’t refugees before,
but we created a crisis so they are refugees. Then we have to
do something about the fact that they are refugees. So here we
are caught and now thinking about starting another war and the
money, the billions of dollars, which could have been spent on
healthcare, which could have been spent on really funding No
Child Left Behind. Which could have been put on taking care of
the aftermath of Katrina and Rita. Which could have been spent
for so many things, not being able to spend it and there we are
with this war. With civil liberties being, people suffering oppression
in ways that one would not have imagined before.
Now
what do we do about all this? There’s always the ‘what
do you do about it?’ and the political landscape of what
you do about it obviously because you pick yourself a horse,
a candidate and you ride it and you hope that that person can
do something. For example, I think that if Bill Clinton had been
president all during this period, or somebody like Bill Clinton,
we wouldn’t have had all the problems around affirmative
action because he managed with Mend it Don’t End It in ’96
and ’95 to save affirmative action after the decision by
the Supreme Court because he exercised leadership. There are
a lot of things about Bill Clinton I don’t like and he
knows the ones that I don’t like because I’ve told
him. He’s clear about that, but that I did like about his
leadership on that issue. If we had leadership again we might
be able to do something about it.
We
have a bad Supreme Court. We have people seduced and taken in
by the fact that during the confirmation hearings, these are
nice guys. So why don’t we just put them on the Supreme
Court? They are lawyers. They went to Harvard or someplace and
they are nice guys and they are smart and oh look at his nice
family. Look at the kids, you know let’s put him on the
Supreme Court when this is serious business. So I say to you,
behave politically, act politically – that is one thing
you can try to do to try to elect somebody that will show leadership
and don’t ever believe that voting isn’t important.
I go places all the time where young people argue with me that
voting doesn’t make a difference and they are going to
do X,Y, and Z. They are going to go in business. I say, “What
do you think regulates business?” “What do you think
politics has to do with that and the environment in which you
can get a loan or not get a loan?” Well they hadn’t
thought about that so vote. Run for office. Support somebody.
Do whatever’s necessary on that.
Also
do something yourself voluntarily to try to make things better. I
believe in that, but we also need a movement. Most of the great change
that has taken place, any social change in this country or anywhere
else has come as a result of a social movement if you think about
it. It is the squeaky wheel that gets rolling, the social movement,
and while it may be true that the moral arch of the universe ten
stoic justice, sometimes I wonder if that’s right, the arch
seems to move a little better if you have a movement and some juice
behind it. We have not had a movement since the Civil Rights Movement
that died in the mud of Resurrection City after the Poor People’s
March. The only thing that comes close to it in the African-American
community is all those young people who work on things like reparations
and seem to be energized and moving and all the rest. So I think
that we have to think about what we can to do voluntarily. What we
can do politically. What we can do in our communities to work together
to solve some of our internal problems without saying “Bill
Cosby was wrong.” My colleague Michael Eric Dyson is wrong.
He’s wrong, not Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby is right. We have internal
problems in the Black community with kids killing kids, people killing
people, and people doing all kinds of things. White people do too,
but I am talking about Black people. And so we do need community
action and programs through churches and organizations and the like
to try to deal with these issues. Where he is wrong is to de-emphasize
what we need to do in terms of policy in the society at large. And
I say that young people will have to do this because every time change
has occurred, somebody has gone through the fire and the question
is who is going to go through the fire this time. Put differently,
each generation must make it’s own dent in the wall of injustice.
Everybody’s got to do it so our task is helping ourselves and
each other so that we can spread the idea of liberty and justice
for all and make it a reality in our community and our nation and
in the world. Thank you very much. |