| Sharon
Olds
New York State Poet Laureate
Poetry Reading and Discussion
Part of "Women 2000: Shapers of the World" Series
September 8, 2000
Sharon
Olds: One can do something with great love and fear all ones
life and not really be sure what it is and what its value is, and
especially those of us who write with a lot of "I" and seem like
a kind of creepy thing to do. And then what are you doing coming
and standing up and going "Aye, ya, ya, ya, ya." So I feel that
I will be doing that with that fellow family feeling of the family
of writers and people tonight. I am going to read like seven or
eight poems and then we will have a conversation if theres
anything you want to talk about. Then Ill read another seven.
I Go
Back to May 1937
I see them standing at the formal gates of their colleges,
I see my father strolling out
under the ochre sandstone arch, the
red tiles glinting like bent
plates of blood behind his head, I
see my mother with a few light books at her hip
standing at the pillar made of tiny bricks with the
wrought-iron gate still open behind her, their
sword-tips black in the May air,
they are about to get married, they are about to graduate,
they are kids, they are dumb, all they know is they are
innocent, they would never hurt anybody.
I want to go up to them and say Stop,
don't do it--she's the wrong woman,
he's the wrong man, you are going to do things
you cannot imagine you would ever do,
you are going to do bad things to children,
you are going to suffer in ways you have not heard of,
you are going to want to die. I want to go
up to them there in the late May sunlight and say it,
her hungry pretty blank face turning to me,
her pitiful beautiful untouched body,
his handsome arrogant face turning to me,
his pitiful beautiful untouched body,
but I don't do it. I want to live. I
take them up like the male and female
paper dolls and bang them together
at the hips like chips of flint as if to
strike sparks from them, I say
Do what you are going to do, and I will tell about it.
I realized
I was having this fantasy on the airplane that someone liked a metaphor
or a simile in a poem, that I might hear one of those little clicks
for my poem. I didnt, I thought it would be very disconcerting.
I hadnt realized I was secretly looking forward to it.
Kindergarten
Abecedarian. I have been told that my titles are often very subtitle-like.
My Summer. My Dog. My Eye
So I am very proud of a title that
uses the word
someone who thinks about the ABCs a lot,
or talks about them can be called an A-B-Cedarian, or an abecedarian.
Kindergarten
Abecedarian
I thought
what I had to do was to read was to read
the very long word over the chalk board
Ab-cadev-ge-hich-glem-not-gwer-two-wic-skivs.
But what I had to do was look at the crescent moon
And go ca-ca-ca-ca with my mind
It was strange, like other things, that a very large boy owned everything
Even a fire where he could put you for the thoughts in your head.
Each day I tried to read the world to find his name in it
The trees bending in cursive, the bees looping their
skyscrapers
Noon was ca-ca-ca, Cereal bowl uh-uh-uh
Cactum pa-pa-pa
Ca-ca, uh-uh, pa-pa
Ca-uh-pa, ca-uh-pa
Cup
Would God be mad? I had made a false cup in my mind
And although he had made my mind and owned it
Maybe this was not his cup
Maybe he could not put this cup in hell and make it scream the cup
scream
Maybe the paper world was ours as the actual world was His
I was becoming a reader
For a moment I almost remember it
When I stood back on other side of the alphabet
A, B, C, D, E, F, G
And took that first step in
H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P
And stood astride the line of the border of literacy
Q, R, S, T, U, V
I would work for a life of this, I would ask sanctuary
W, X, Y, Z.
[Applause]
Its like a magic sound. Its like if you were ever a
kid and you would like walk through the woods and try to figure
out how you could hear the spirits. I believed in fairies when I
was a kid. I grew up a very long time ago and I really thought there
were flying beings with those beautiful wings
you know, when
I was like three or four. And how do you listen for them? Ten, you
know, fourteen. And how can you tell theyre there? And there
is a little like tweagish, very pretty sound. This poem is called:
His
Costume
Somehow
I never stopped to notice
that my father liked to dress as a woman
He had his sign language about women
Talking too much and being stupid
But whenever there was a costume party
He would dress like us
The tennis balls for breasts, balls for breasts
The long blond wig, the lipstick
He would way his body with moves of gracefulness
As if one being could be the whole universe
Its ends curving back to come up from behind I
Six feet and maybe 180, 190
He had the shapely legs of a male grable.
In a short skirt he leaned against a bookcase pillar,
nursing his fifth drink, gazing around from inside his
mascara purda with those salty eyes
The woman from next door had a tail and ears
She was covered with Reynolds wrap
She was kitty foil
And my mother was in a tiny tuxedo
But he always won the prize
Those nights he had a look of daring
As if he was getting away with something
A look of triumph, of having stolen back
And as far as I knew, he never threw up as a woman
Or passed out or made those signals of scorn with his hand
Just leaned voluptuous, at ease, deeply present
As if sensing his full potential
Crossing over into himself and back,
Over and back.
I always
love to read other peoples poems when Im on the road
especially
poems that mean a lot to me in relation to my own life and my own
memories, in this case memories of high school. This is a poem by
Secu Sundiata. Its got a dedication remembering Sterling A.
Brown. And the poem is called:
Blink
Your Eyes
I was
on my way to see my woman,
But the law said I was on my way
through a red light, red light, red light
And if you saw my woman you could understand
I was just being a man
It wasnt about no light, it was about my ride
And if you saw my ride you could dig that too, you dig
Sunroof, stereo, radio, black leather, bucket seats sit low
You know the bodys cool but the tires are worn
Ride when the hard times come, ride when theyre gone
In other words the light was green
I could wake up in the morning without a warning
And the my world could change
Blink your eyes
All depends, all depends on the skin,
All depends on the skin were living in
Up to the window comes the law with his hand on his gun
"Whats up? Whats happening?" I said
I guess that's when I really broke the law
He said a routine, step out the car routine
Assume the position.
"Put your hands up in the air. You know the routine.
Like you just dont care. License and registration."
Deep was the night and the light from the
North star and the car door. Deja vous.
Weve been through this before. Why did you stop me?
"Somebody had to stop you. I watch the news.
You always lose. Youre unreliable.
Thats undeniable. This is serious.
You could be dangerous."
I could wake up in the morning without a warning
and my world could change
Blink your eyes
All depends, all depends on the skin,
All depends on the skin were living in.
New York City, they got laws
Cant no brothers drive outdoors in certain neighborhoods
on particular streets near and around certain types of people
They got laws
All depends, all depends on the skin
All depends on the skin youre living in.
Secu
Sundiata. [While snapping and smiling.] Secu, Secu. Yeah. Ill
read a couple more poems and then we can have a talk if you like.
This one was began in me when I remembered a song that we sang a
lot when I was a kid in grammar school. And since I know these songs
change
uh-oh this is also a song from far away from here and
in another world as well as another time. But where I lived in Berkeley,
California, this was a song that we sang on Fridays. Now just in
case you havent heard this song, didnt sing it when
you were kids, I will try to give you the two lines at the beginning
that the poem came out of: [Singing]
"In
the beauty of the lilies, Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me.
What it meant
I didnt know what it meant
that he was born in the beauty of the lilies.
Maybe bulbs that had been planted
around the timbers of the stable,
or the myrrh king had brought them,
or the frankincense king
But the kings came after the birth
and he was born in the beauty
Maybe in the longest night of the winter
he was somehow born on Easter
I love that he was born across the sea
As if born into the whole width of the air
between here and that holy place,
the barn under the meteor
They didnt talk about the hay or the water trough
Or the blood or the milk or the manure with its straw seeds inside
it
But sometimes they showed him in her arms almost nursing
The light around his head like a third breast in the scene
They said he was born with a glory in his bosom
He had his own bosom as if he was his own mother
As well as his own father
And she wore blue, always unmarked
She never wore fleur de lie
And yet he was born in the beauties of the lilies
This morning when I looked at a lily, just beginning to open,
its long slender pouch tipped with soft pearling back lips
and I could peak just slightly in and see the clasping interior
the cache of pollen, and smell the extreme sweetness,
I thought they were shyly saying Marys body
He came from the blossom of a woman
He was born in the beauty of her lily.
[Applause]
Ah. How cool
for the madonna to get the [snap, snap]. This
may be an unusual experience for her. This is called"
The Diagnosis
By the time I was six months old
She knew there was something wrong with me
I got looks on my face she had not seen on any child in the family
Or in the extended family, or the neighborhood
My mother took me in to the pediatrician, a tall thin man
With a lantern jaw and kind hands
A doctor with a name like a suit size for a wheel -
Hub Long
My mother did not tell him what she thought in truth -
That I was possessed
It was just these strange looks on my face
He held me and conversed with me, chatting as one does with a baby
And my mother said, "Shes doing it now. Look, shes doing
it now."
And the doctor said, "What your daughter has is called a sense of
humor."
"Oh," she said and took me back to the house
Where that sense would be tested and found to be incurable.
So
what are you thinking? If theres something that you would
like to say or ask and we could talk, I am happy to. Yes.
Q:
Can you read "The Moments"?
Olds:
Thank you. What a nice question! I dont have it with me. [Lady
asking question responds and audience laughs] Ah, sure. I dont
have a memory, so I dont know what book its in. [Someone
in audience says, "Ive got it."] Youve got it! You do!
Page 89. Look at that! This is like a dream tonight, like a dream.
Well you know, theres two poems and one is called "That Moment."
Where are you? [The lady quotes a few lines from the poem she wants
to hear] Ah, well what I am going to do for now is read this one
because its right here. And its called "That Moment".
Im just going to go with the watchmacallit.
That
Moment
It
is almost too long ago to remember
When I was a woman without children
A person really, like a figure standing in a field
Alone, dark against the shadowy crop
The children were there,
They were shadowy figures outside the fence,
Indistinct as distant blobs of faces at twilight.
I cant remember anymore, the moment I turned to take them
My heel turning on the earth,
Grinding the heads of the stalks of grain under my foot
My body suddenly swinging around
As the flat figure on a weather vane will swerve when the wind changes
I cant remember the journey from the center of the field to
the edge
Or the cracking of the fence like the breaking down of the borders
of the world
Or my stepping out of the ploughed field all together
And taking them in my arms like you take the whites and yolks of
eggs
In your arms, running over you gluttonous streaked, slimy, glazing
you
I cannot remember that instant when I gave my life to them
The way someone will suddenly give her life over to God
And I stood with them outside the universe
And then, like a God, I turned and brought them in.
I havent
read that for a long time. [Someone walks on stage to bring her
another book, with the other poem. Audience laughs] Oh, youre
funny! Thank you.
The Moment
When
I saw the dark Egyptian stain,
I went down into the house to find you, mother
Past the grandfather clock, with its huge ochre moon
Past the burnt sienna woodwork, rubbed and glazed
I went deeper and deeper down into the body of the house
Down below the level of the earth
And I found you there where I had never found you
By the washtubs, your hand thrust deep in soapy water
And above your head the blazing windows at the circus of the ground
You looked up from the iron sink,
A small haggard pretty woman of 40, one week divorced
"Ive got my period mom," I said and saw your face
abruptly break open and glow with joy
"Baby," you said, coming toward me, hands out
And covered with tiny delicate bubbles like seeds.
One
thing about traveling is that you get to stay in these amazing rooms
with amazing facilties for self-knowledge. Yes. See I am willing
to be obscure when I am introducing this poem because its
called:
Self
Portrait, Rear View
At
first I almost do not believe it, in the hotel triple mirror
That that is my body,
In back, below the waist, and above the legs
The thing that doesnt stop moving when I stop moving
And it doesnt even look like just one thing
Or even one big double thing
Even the word saddlebags has a smooth calfskin feel to it
Compared to this compendium of net string bags
Shaking our booty of cellulite, fruits, and nuts
Some lumps look like bon bons translated in tact from chocolate
box to buttocks
The curl on top showing slightly through my skin
Once I see what I can do with this, I do it
High-stepping to make the rapids of my bottom
Rush and ripple like a world wonder
Slowly I believe what I am seeing
A 54-year-old rear end, once a tight end
High and mighty, almost a chicken butt
Now exhausted as if tragic
But this is not an invasion
My cul-de-sac is not being used to hatch
alien cells, bald peas, gyroscopes, sacks of marbles
Its my hoard of treasure, my good luck
Not to be dead, yet
But when I toss the main of my ass again
And see in a clutch of eggs, each egg on its own as if shell-less,
shudder
I wonder if anyone has ever died looking in a mirror in horror
I think I will not even catch a cold from it
I will go to school to it, to Butt Boot Camp
To the video store where I saw in the window
My hero, my workout jelly roll model, my apotheosis
Killer Buns.
It
was before this poem was written that I was first called a pornographic
poet. And when I heard that, though I pretended not to mind, I was
shocked. And I talked to class of mine, of fellow poets at NYU,
and the next week someone brought in a poem by a Sanscrit poet named
Vidya, who wrote between 700 and 1050. And Ill just read you
a few lines of a poem of hers because hearing this poem was
so important for me in terms of feeling the community of poets over
time and space and what any of us may be wanting to write about;
there is a companion for so out there. Vidya writes:
"You
are fortunate, dear friends, that you can tell what happened with
your lover
The jests and laughter, all the words and joy
After my sweetheart put his hands to the heart of my dress
I swear that I remember nothing."
Umm.
Thats so nice. So then I found this book of world history
of women poets and I found this poem by Lady Casa, who wrote in
Japan in the eighth century:
"To
love somebody who doesnt love you
is like going to a temple
and worshipping the behind
of a wooden statue
of a hungry devil."
Lady
Casa. Uh huh. Yes. And then also in this book, there was a poem
that in Western European tradition marked one of those turnings.
Its with a personal lyric. Ill just read the first stanza
of this poem:
"Some
there are who say that the fairest thing seen on the black earth
is an array of horsemen.
Some, men marching,
Some would say ships
But I would say she who one loves best is the loveliest."
This
is Sappho. And I often look at the white space between "some would
say ships," the epic tradition that had been going on for some time
in Greece. And then imagine, imagine, she just wrote it down
but I say, but I say, she who one loves best. So I carry these companions
with me.
Poem
for the Breasts
Like
other identical twins
They can be better told apart in adulthood
One is fast to wrinkle her brow, her brain, her quick intelligence
The other, dreams inside a constellation, freckles of Orion
They were born when I was thirteen
They rose up half out of my chest
Now they are forty, wise, generous
I am inside them, in a way, under them
Or I carry them
I was alive so long without them
I cant say I envy them, though their feelings are almost my
feelings
As with someone one deeply loves
They seem to me like a gift that I have to give
That boys were said to worship their categoriac being,
Almost starve for it, did not escape me.
And some men loved them the way one would want oneself to be loved
All year they have been calling to my husband,
Singing to him, like a pair of soaking sirens on a scaled rock,
They cannot believe he could leave them
It isnt vanity
They themselves were made of promise
And so they believed in the word
Sometimes now I hold them a moment,
One in each hand, twin widows heavy with grief
They were a gift to me
And then they were ours
Like little nurslings of excitement and plenty
And now it is summer again, late summer
The very week he moved out
Didnt he whisper to them, "Wait here for me one year"?
No he said, "God be with you. God by with you. God by,
For the rest of this life and for the long nothing."
And they do not know language. They are waiting for him.
My Christ, they are dumb. They do not even know they are mortal.
Sweet, I guess. Refreshing to live with.
Beings without the knowledge of death.
Creatures of ignorant suffering.
And
Ill close with this. And with my thanks and best wishes. This
one is called:
Animal
Crackers:
I liked
to bite the hindquarters off the hippopotamuses
And the humps off the camel
I loved tails and ears, like those of the hollow chocolate rabbit
who appeared in my house when Jesus rose
The indented spots on the leopards sent me
The deep engravings in the zebras side
Sometimes I liked to save the head
and pop it in and attend
To feel that brain of dumb sugar and flour added to mine
And now that I am half old
I want some poet crackers
Some smarts, Sinclairs, little busts or cameos of everyone
To eat
I ate Christ in the bunny
I want a Whitman communion matzo
I want Dickinson by her own recipe
And Keats bright oatmeal broach
I need to read, lipread, toothread,
Ruth Stone, Langston Hughes
Oh sweet, salty Rookheiser cracker
And I would like to be one
No matter it is undeserved
I want to be in those little boxes with woven handles like shed
snakeskins
Edible Cannels, Clifton, and Olzas
I wish, when I am dead, that I could be among
the English and American animal crackers.
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